East Kingdom, Crown List is out!

[liamstliam]

It's here and has consorts

This is not in specific Order of Precedence yet.

The dukes, counts, etc., are all group together, but they are not ordered.

I will undoebtedly have some thoughts later.

 

Comments

[zarhooie.livejournal.com]

As someone who's tried to herald with fighter-filled-out cards, let me be the first to say OH MY GOSH HORRIBLE IDEA. I think fighters go to the same school as doctors do for their handwriting skills. Even small tourneys where I know everyone, I still have a difficult time deciphering names.

[baronessv.livejournal.com]

I'll try not to take that personally. I like to think I have very legible handwriting.

Unfortunately I've yet to see any reasons for the current system that don't, in actuality, boil down to "We're used to it being this way." Clearly the An Tirian MoLs and Heralds have found a way that they are used to and works for them, as well.

[zarhooie.livejournal.com]

I should have put "some fighters" rather than imply all fighters. I certainly know some fighters with excellent, clear, legible handwriting, but unfortunately they tend to be the exception rather than the rule.

One thing that must be considered when comparing one kingdom's policies/practices to that of another is the size. EK Crown list regularly runs well over 50 people. Northshield Crown list is lucky if it hits 20 (it's usually closer to 12-15). I don't know how big An Tir's Crown list usually is because it isn't posted anywhere that I can find it.

That is another benefit of having Letters of Intent: there's a record somewhere of who fought in what.

ETA: Oh! And with a list coming out roughly a month before the event, there is the possibility of having betting guides/programs and to allow Master Liam to speculate on who's going to take the whole thing.

[baronessv.livejournal.com]

An Tir September Crown 2008 was 80 entrants.

[zarhooie.livejournal.com]

Hm. I'm going to go with magic heralds and Starbucks for $300.

[baronessv.livejournal.com]

I'm more inclined to think it's a matter of scale of expectation WRT the amount of work one is signing up for. If heralding Crown tourney is X amount of work and has always been X amount of work, then you show up expecting to do X amount of work and it seems "natural". If heralding Crown has always been Y amount of work (where Y is a lesser amount of work than X) and you're used to doing Y amount of work then of course X amount of work is going to seem insane and impossible.

[zarhooie.livejournal.com]

I would like to see the tournament format that is used in An Tir for Crown. Northshield's changes every year depending on the whims of Their Majesties (this year it was best 2 out of 3 for all bouts), but I think other kingdoms it is always double elim or whatever.

Any ideas?

[baronessv.livejournal.com]

I seem to remember it being double elim. Maybe check with derekl1963 in a comment thread above?

[zarhooie.livejournal.com]

I've contacted An Tir's field herald deputy with this question. I think I'm smelling another interkingdom anthro paper forming.

[derekl1963.livejournal.com]

An Tir regularly hosts Crowns with 50-75+ fighters in the Lists and has for years and years.

Because of the vast size of An Tir however, the size of the lists depend greatly on travel conditions and whether the Tourney is held downtown or in one of the far corners of the Kingdom.

There's a saying here that "who becomes King depends as much on where Crown is held as anything else".

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

Well, we are used to doing it that way. More important, though, is that people have done things because they THINK they will work, and then again and again because, for one reason or another, it did.

Many years ago, I was asked to check memberships before Crown Tournament. That rule is based upon a person, who effed up their membership. So we want to get the names far enough in advance to not only CHECK memberships, but fix'em. We can do that.

And an older and experienced Kingdom Seneschal of the East has told me, in no uncertain terms, that some folks would fight for other folks, not even knowing their modern name. They pointed out that the muddle that comes from reigns where the Crowns fight within their own couple, was awful. The paper process and the advance notice gives BOTH of them some involuntary insight into how the other works, and processes information, and gives them a trial run to make sure that between the two of them SOMEONE gets the paperwork in.

I doubt like hell that was the reason any of this was introduced. Someone probably said "a month: that makes my life easy". But I also believe (and having been within the process, actually SEEN) that even this minor impediment and process has refreshed the minds of those that would compete.

Why do we do it? Because, it's a combination of brains and happenstance, that has not just worked, but worked well enough to repeat.

[lumineaux.livejournal.com]

You probably don't write your name on your card with your gauntlets on, either. ;-)