East Kingdom, Crown List is out!

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It's here and has consorts

This is not in specific Order of Precedence yet.

The dukes, counts, etc., are all group together, but they are not ordered.

I will undoebtedly have some thoughts later.

 

Comments

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In the most general case, Kingdoms respect foreign awards only insofar as they contain elements of awards that use the SCA definitions (Grant, Award).

Some Kingdoms have treaties with neighbors that specify and define the depth of mutual recognitions. The White Scarf being one of the most widespread and widely known.

In a medieval sense (not in terms of recognition and award), membership in an Order was more of a fraternity, not a ranking or title. If one were of sufficient repute, and if one were born into the right social class, one MIGHT be invited into an order - but that doesn't mean that the orders saw each other as equals, or that rank in one was rank in another. In that sense, the SCA system is roughly accurate - until the treaties come into it.

In the case of the East, it's local Kingdom Order for fencing is NOT the same as a White Scarf. The White Scarf carries a Grant, but no Eastern Orders carry a Grant. Some of the regalia and titles used are the same.

At the time of the creation of the Eastern Order for fencing, lots of promises of equivalence were made and discussed - by the time I became much less active they were not really observed as much. Perhaps things have changed.

As for your question of "would that not matter", let me make the analogy of a Euro in a dollar country - but it is limited to noting that we recognize a Euro has value, but you can't use it here. A White Scarf membership is NOT a membership in the Golden Rapier, but the Grant is the same the world over.